I just watched this video where a canadian is showing how neighbourhoods in the Netherland have small shops and restaurants mixed with housing, and he also showed that it's not like that in Canada and the US, and now I understand what the deal with north american "suburbia" is :ms_scream:

youtube.com/watch?v=bnKIVX968P

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I mean I thought it was bad as in "nearest supermarket is a couple km away", or "no public transport to the neighbouring school", or "too expensive to have small buisnesses here" but like, *illegal* to build anything else than a specific kind of house until the horizon?

@Yulran

Basically, yes. And on top of that, you've got Homeowners' Associations that can often levy fines if your frontage doesn't meet the neighbourhood standards.

And even if you could convert your house into, say, a neighbourhood café (you can't, because the suburb isn't zoned for it), the streets are not designed to be walked or biked on, so everyone would have to drive and you don't have enough parking.

@Yulran

In my city, even the city itself has no power to stop sprawl, and endless suburbs increasing costs and eating up farmland and green spaces. That comes under provincial jurisdiction.

@Nezchan It sounds horrible! I'm sorry you are litterally forced to live like that :blobsleepless:

@Yulran

Well, it's not as bad for me personally. I'm in a suburb that's not old exactly, but at least there's a grocery store, drugstore, a pub, and other amenities within walking distance. And even easier cycling distance.

The trouble is if I want to go anywhere in the direction of the downtown, the bigger malls, and so forth, you have to cycle uphill on a stretch of highway with an 80km/hr limit and only a painted, non-separated bike lane, or use the merely okay (but not great) transit.

@Yulran

It's much, much more convenient to drive, so of course people do. There's a multi-use pathway planned in that direction, but the city is saying roughly 10 years before we get it.

There is a light rail station being put in, but that's in a pretty busy area too, and it'll be a couple of years for that too.

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